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Fri, Nov. 14th, 2008, 07:56 am
buckeyebrain: My turn for advice

I'd been thinking of asking you guys about this for a while now, and the previous post prompted me to do so.

First, a little background. I've been running bad for about two years now. Just the general feeling of "if an opponent has outs, he'll hit them".

So I go to Las Vegas last month for the World Deaf Poker Tournament, an annual event that I'd attended the previous three years, cashing once. It's a $300 buy-in ($200 prize pool, $40 house fee, $60 charity donation).

The first sign of trouble: After having 160-180 players the first three years, there are only 92 players this year. The second sign: 15 minute blind levels. I'm thinking "Turbo Donkament" but play it out anyway.

I'm literally catching no cards at all, but a few well-timed bluffs had increased my 5000 starting stack to 5900 about an hour in when this hand occurs:

Blinds are 150-300 and I pick up 3-3 in the cutoff. Two limpers call and I go along for the ride to see if I can flop a set. SB calls and BB checks for a 1500 pot.

Flop: 8-5-3 Rainbow.

It's checked around to me, and I lead out for 800. Both blinds fold and the first limper (a bit of a LAGgy) check-raises to 2000. The other limper folds and I go into the tank for a minute. I decide that either he has a big pair or a draw. So I shove, and I'd he has a higher set, so be it.

He insta-calls and shows A-A. I have him covered by a little, so close to a double up, I think.

Turn: 4

And the way I've been running, I have X-ray vision right from the dealer's hand...

River: 2

So the opponent takes a bunch of congratulations and saying "I had to call!"

I'm crippled (down to 1450, then a chip race knocked me down to 1400 with 200-400 blinds and I lost a race).

So here's my question: Could I have gotten away from my set when I got check-raised? Every fiber of my being says I played it right, and got supremely unlucky. But definitely want to see other perspectives.

Fri, Nov. 14th, 2008 04:16 pm (UTC)

How can you possibly fold on that flop?

If you play 33, and you flop a set, you're (a) almost always going to be bottom set and (b) praying to snap off a huge hand (which he had).

You got all the money in good, and lost. Next hand!

Fri, Nov. 14th, 2008 04:53 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous): WTF

Yeah your head is messed up if you don't want to get all in there. Wow. That guy got really lucky but you had him exactly where you wanted. That is the MTT world. Brutal beats and the occasional big win to make it all worth it. If you HATE that world try something else like cash games or something.

Fri, Nov. 14th, 2008 05:45 pm (UTC)

You got all his chips in when you were an 89% favorite. Your opponent made at least two mistakes on the hand. Just move on.


Fri, Nov. 14th, 2008 06:25 pm (UTC)

If you get all-in with AA preflop and lose, are you going to question whether you should have folded the aces?

You're not guaranteed to win just because you got it in with massively the best of it.

Fri, Nov. 14th, 2008 06:45 pm (UTC)

I wish all these really ridiculous posts lately were just levels, unfortunately they are not
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Fri, Nov. 14th, 2008 07:11 pm (UTC)

Thank god.

Fri, Nov. 14th, 2008 08:08 pm (UTC)

If you can fold bottom set to an overpair, you win -- an invitation to my home game. (Bring lots of cash.)

Sat, Nov. 15th, 2008 04:54 am (UTC)

Been there. Both sides. I'm sure most of us have.

I was in a deepstack tournamet. I had about $7500 in chips with blinds at $500/$1000 with levels about to go up. I had pocket 5s and raised it up and got a caller.

Now itis heads up. Flop comes up J-7-5 rainbow. Guy I was playin with had been being agressive with ATC hands. He goes in for $1500 and I rais to $4500. He goes all in and I call.

Turns out, he had pocket Js and I wa drawing all but dead, I had a one outer that I did not catch.

I thought about folding as I thought he might have had 7s. But, a set is a hard one to let go of.

Tue, Nov. 18th, 2008 02:33 am (UTC)

A fold after you were check raised would have been a fundamentally bad move. If i was check raised in that situation i would have almost certinally put my opponent on some sort of over pair. Mind you i would never limp with AA if i was your opponent either.