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Fri, Jan. 9th, 2009, 08:52 pm
babemaster: Analysis

Early in a small stakes live tournament.  Blinds are at 25/50.  I was second to act at a full table (10).  UTG folds.  I got pocket 10s.  I made it 250 to go.  Everyone folds to the BB.  He calls.

I have played with this guy before and he is pretty loose and I have seen him go to showdown with an under pair to the board.

Flop comes AJ7 rainbow. He checks and I bet 500 (pot size bet - 525).  He contemplates it and almost folds.  He calls.  Turn is a queen.  He checks.  Although I have never seen him trap, this set off a slight warning.  I check.  I though, after I checked that he had a jack.  River is a 10.  He pushes all in.  At this point I put him in a middle pair (I'd seen him do this before) or per haps a jack or even a jack - ten.  I call and he shows 98 off suit.

He chased the gut shot.  I think now if I would have bet the turn he may have folded.  But as he is one that chases, maybe not.

Thoughts

Sat, Jan. 10th, 2009 05:35 am (UTC)
poodleface

You didn't list how much were in your stacks, which gives no indication of how much of an overbet "this guy" made when he went all in.

You said this guy goes to showdown, but you didn't indicate if he was the aggressor in these cases. It's one thing to call down with middle pair but not many people are going to go all in with it in a small stakes tournament on the river when the blinds are still so small. He made a good bet, hoping you would make a "hero call", which you did.

It's not a crime to fold the best hand in situations like these. 90%+ of the time when people make this kind of bet into you when they are first to act in small stakes tournaments have the nuts, or close to it (to this guy any straight was the nuts). When it only takes a K to beat you (which you very well may have had in your hand) then there is no reason to call if you still have a lot of chips left when it is so early in a tournament like this.

You correctly kept the pot small on the turn by checking, then made a huge mistake calling on the river.

What you said on the flop was the key "He contemplates it and almost folds". He would not have thought that long with a jack, certainly not with an ace. He had to be chasing something. If he has 10,000 in his stack he's going not going to look at pot odds, he is going to look at how much it is to call compared to what is in his stack.

Personally, "hero calls" are the way I make most of my chips in tournaments like this, because no one ever believes the overbet could really be from a strong hand.

Sat, Jan. 10th, 2009 06:50 am (UTC)
babemaster

3500 for me, a bit less for him, in chips. He'd chased a few hands prior to this.

I am not defending my call. In hindsight I know I should have laid it down. I have shocked a few with some of the lay downs. It was mostly a call based on the player. He was out shortly after me on some overly aggressive plays out of position.
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Sat, Jan. 10th, 2009 05:51 pm (UTC)
babemaster

I probably would have not checked the turn with AQ. :)

I was correct in my read he didn't have a king, but I gave him more credit than I should have. I initially put him on a middle pair, then changed to n over card. In playing with him prior and watching him after I busted out, he is not a strong player.

Like I said, I am not defending my play. I just was looking for additional input. One of the dealers thought that he'd have likely made the same call against this guy, simply due to his history.
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Sun, Jan. 11th, 2009 05:07 am (UTC)
babemaster

The dealer in question, actually most of them are friends and players. It isn't like I asked the question to an, unknown to me, dealer.

A, Q or J on the river and I fold.

Sun, Jan. 11th, 2009 05:13 am (UTC)
getknifed

i wouldnt make it 5 bbs in second position with 10s.

Sun, Jan. 11th, 2009 05:37 am (UTC)
babemaster

With the player that were there, 3 BBs would have gotten more action than I wanted with tens.

Sun, Jan. 11th, 2009 05:53 am (UTC)
getknifed

you want action with tens. with 2 overcards you should have pretty much been done with the hand. if you were that certain he didnt have overs on the flop, you should have shoved.