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Sat, Jan. 17th, 2009, 10:00 pm
quill18:

Anyone care to give me some feedback on my play? I'm still in micro-limits, but after being a limit player for a long time now, I want to try my hand at NL. So far it's going well, but the sample size is way too small to make any assumptions, and I definitely could use some feedback. Here's a hand that I wonder about my play from preflop to river.


Table is generally loose/passive. The villain (MP1) is slightly less loose, but still pretty passive.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com



MP1 ($2.81)

Hero (MP2) ($10)

MP3 ($5.79)

CO ($4.98)

Button ($1.03)

SB ($1.53)

BB ($4.08)

UTG ($5.11)

UTG+1 ($3.35)



Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, J

2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, MP3 calls $0.08, 1 fold, Button calls $0.08, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.06



Flop: ($0.42) Q, 7, J (5 players)

SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.30, 3 folds, MP1 calls $0.30



Turn: ($1.02) 7 (2 players)

MP1 checks, Hero ???


UPDATE: I removed the river because I don't feel that there's really a question about what to do there.

Sun, Jan. 18th, 2009 03:32 am (UTC)
gunga_galunga

raise to about a buck and call his reraise if there is one. There are only two hands you're afraid of and he's got quads or queens full, good game him.

Sun, Jan. 18th, 2009 04:57 am (UTC)
buckeyebrain

I agree with this guy. Don't shove, about a buck is right, because it looks like you're making a value raise.

Sun, Jan. 18th, 2009 06:53 am (UTC)
normalcyispasse

+1.

Sun, Jan. 18th, 2009 07:17 am (UTC)
sistagurl

Then again fellas, m1 could be simply potbuilding in order to bluff. Anyone who had a monster and not alot of funds left would have flexed a lil muscle by then * shrug*

Just sayin.

Sun, Jan. 18th, 2009 07:26 pm (UTC)
poodleface

You raised preflop, then bet the flop, the checked the turn. You have given no indication about your hand except that you probably don't have a 7.

At this low of a limit, I'd put in a raise exactly like the other people said, with the intention of calling if you get reraised. In that case you are probably splitting the pot, but there is an outside chance MP1 has a 7. MP1 might even flat call a raise on the river with a Queen here. You can't be worried about monsters under the bed (AKA those times when you raise and the other guy was slowplaying a monster) unless you have other information (like knowing the player very well, which you won't at these limits).

Mon, Jan. 19th, 2009 03:04 am (UTC)
quill18

I'm definitely not worried about my river play. In hindsight, I shouldn't have posted the river at all.

I question my turn play. I think that my hesitation there gave away that I had a questionable pair, like a jacks or queens with a bad kicker.

Imagine that MP1 was himself holding a Q or J and that something like a deuce fell on the river. He could have read into my weakness and bet at me easily, and I'm not sure if I'd have the confidence to call a sizeable bet in that situation, since he could easily be playing KQ or AJ.

So my real question is, should I have fired a bet on the turn when it was checked to me? I'm guessing that I couldn't make KQ/AJ fold there anyway, so maybe there really wasn't any point to it.

Mon, Jan. 19th, 2009 06:21 am (UTC)
poodleface

No, I think your check is correct, because you don't want to play a huge pot with second pair. You do, however, have to be prepared to call a bet on the river since your check on the turn implies you don't have anything at all, which gives the other player a huge incentive to bluff.

A lot of times people will put in the bluff bet on the river, hoping to pick up the pot from you when you have an AK that missed. So by checking, you keep the pot small, and you induce the other player to bluff with absolutely nothing when the river comes a blank, which is sort of a win-win for you. Of course, sometimes the other player will have a king, but at least in those cases the pot has remained small. If you have a good read on the other player as being extremely tight you might be able to throw away a jack on the river if the river doesn't improve your hand. But... most of the time I would have to call a moderate bet, because a lot of people get clever and bet a busted flush draw on the river when you've shown weakness on the turn.

I don't see much benefit to betting the turn with second pair. Sure, you might let a diamond draw get a free card, but you don't want to bet the turn, have the third diamond hit on the river and then be put into a guessing game when he bets an even larger amount on the river.

Mon, Jan. 19th, 2009 12:10 pm (UTC)
quill18

Great feedback, thanks.